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  • 1.  Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-12-2019 14:35
    Can you tell me difference between a back forth exchange within QF vs. Frequent Conversations within LM?

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    Lawonda Roman
    Mansfield TX
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  • 2.  RE: Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-12-2019 16:14
    Hi Lawonda,
    I believe the different lies in the content of the conversation. If the teachers is having a discussion about what a child is doing and their progress or focused on directing their attention towards finishing a task that would fall under quality feedback but if the conversation is about things they like to do with their parents, favorite color and the focus seems to be more about creating a warm environment and strengthening their relationship.

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    Helen Haynes
    Melbourne FL
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  • 3.  RE: Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-12-2019 18:39
    Hi Lawona,
    I used to tell my trainees: a Feedback Loop is always a conversation, but a conversation is not always a Feedback Loop.  The difference lies in the basic difference between the dimensions / the intent with LM is to support and promote language, whereas the purpose of effective feedback is to promote thinking, learning, or persistence with a task.  A good feedback loop can be recognized by noticing a conversation that goes back and forth, but the telltale difference is the INTENT of it - if it's a good feedback loop it is clearly "pushing" or "prompting" a child to continue thinking, continue trying to get an answer or master a skill, continue trying to figure something out or get to a correct answer.  With a simple Conversation, there is a back and forth exchange, but you MAY or MAY NOT see that "pushing" of thinking/learning/persistence. If it is a Conversation that IS a FBLoop, you will see the child responding and being responded to verbally, AND you will also see that the teacher is trying to get more learning or persistence. The focus is clearly on LEARNING with FBLoops, and with good conversations it's clearly on GETTING A CHILD TO SAY MORE. I hope that helps.........When I am coding, if I see a conversation starting, I write down the topic of the conversation under Frequent Conversations -LM, and I indicate how many times it goes back and forth with "XOXOXOXO."  If I notice that it is also a Feedback Loop, then I also write the SAME thing under FBLoops - QF.

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    Sara Beach
    Aurora IL
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  • 4.  RE: Quality of Feedback

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    Posted 08-13-2019 11:45
    Edited by Liz Savage 08-14-2019 10:48
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  • 5.  RE: Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-13-2019 11:57
    Edited by Sara Beach 08-14-2019 16:56
    Upon further consideration, I need to clarify!  Some feedback loops happen through more gestures and not through conversation only.  I will amend my comment to say a MAJORITY of feedback loops are also conversations.  I have not myself witnessed any purely gestural feedback loops, but I am sure it happens. This reminds me of a conversation I had with a program leader in Anchorage, AK, who was having difficulty with the "language rich" imperatives of the CLASS Instructional Supports dimensions; since classrooms really cannot score high without a good amount of talking.  She was explaining how in the Alaska native populations, much teaching is done through modeling, and children are not expected to talk as much. She gave examples of whale harvesting, basket weaving, and drumming, where parents (and assumedly teachers) teach children these skills mainly through "showing" them; demonstrating; and gestures. In the culture, apparently talking is not valued as highly. In terms of intellectual development, I wonder how that impacts children, to not hear or be expected to produce as much language. I am imagining their test scores in school are lower - but are these simply reflecting culturally biased tests? Anyway, that is all good food for thought. We don't want to miss the importance of modeling and gestures in being able to learn!

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    Sara Beach
    Aurora IL
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  • 6.  RE: Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-13-2019 09:46
    @Sarah Hadden wrote a good blog post about this exact thing!

    "What Did You Have for Breakfast?" How a Simple Question Can Help Clarify Feedback Loops - https://info.teachstone.com/blog/how-to-clarify-feedback-loops

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    Liz Savage
    Community Manager
    Teachstone
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  • 7.  RE: Quality of Feedback

    Posted 08-13-2019 10:41
    Thanks for sharing that blog!  It really does aid in clarification!

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    Debbie Evans
    Delhi LA
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